Which Wax with the deepest shine

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tiffanyp

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Hi!

What would you recommend for the deepest shining wax for a 2003 BMW M3. The color is black. I was looking at P21S, Zymol Carbon, and Pinnacle Soveran Paste. I would like to stick with Carnuba Wax over synthetic. Which would you recommend for the deepest shine.

Thanx!
Tiff :jump
 
Those are all very good products - love them all. I have not personally used the zymol carbon but i have been pleased with the results of zymol vintage on my white car. I have heard Pinnacle is supposed to be great on dark colors, however i think the P21S is comparable at a much lower price. P21S has become a part of my regular system ever since i have tried it! For the money, i would go with P21S, but any of those products are great choices!!!

Hope this helps!! Happy Detailing!!
 
Souveran and Zymol Carbon are way too expensive for me.
If it is true that P21S and S100 are the same product, then of the three you list, I would vote for the P21S for value.
For even better value, go to your local Harley shop and buy the jar of S100 for about $15. Easy on, easy off, good durability for a carnauba and a deep wet looking finish.

Charles
 
search the forums for "favorite carnauba" and you'll bring up a poll that was running sometime before the upgrade. If I recall correctly, P21S /S100 ran away with it getting about half the votes ... I just got my first s100 in yesterday and I can confirm that it's packaged in white.

:)
 
Well, everybody has given you some great suggestions. For me, the ultimate wax on black remains Pinnacle Souveran! Yes, it is expensive, and yes it's durability is limited............... but "WOW" on black. One Grands Omega Glaze, followed by Souveran on black is "breathtaking"! Of course, that's just my opinion.

The P21S/S100, and Natty's wax are very very close to the Souveran, and a LOT less money, and far and away a better value.
 
Thanks guys for the responses. I think I'm going to try the Pinnacle Souveran. $60 isn't too bad "if" it gives the results I am looking for.:)
 
tiffanyp said:
Thanks guys for the responses. I think I'm going to try the Pinnacle Souveran. $60 isn't too bad "if" it gives the results I am looking for.:)
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$60 isn't too bad???...for a can of wax??!! Imo that's nuts!!!!!!!!

That stuff isn't any better than any of the premium wax. The gimmick is...put a real high price on it and a trick name and folks will THINK it's special.

The Natty's wax from Poorboysworld is as good as anything you will find at a fraction of the $60.

Of course I'll pay $2k for a pool cue and not blink but I WON'T pay $30 for a can of wax.:crazy
 
I'll through a vote in for Meguiars #26 or trade secret from topoftheline.


Boss, if you had to pick, on a black car PS or TS which one would you pick? Just curious.
 
EBPcivicsi said:

Boss, if you had to pick, on a black car PS or TS which one would you pick? Just curious.
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EBP,

PS............... but only for looks! Not a lot of difference........ but a difference. I guess a better way to put it would be............ If I were going to be detailing a black vehicle (or another dark color) that was going to be put in a big car show or concours event, the LSP I would be using would be Souveran. Is it worth the extra $$$......... depends on the one evaluating the surface, and the intent of the detail.

Having said that, I would recommend that everyone who is a detailing enthusiast should get one jar of PS, and try it for themselves.
 
Boss_429 said:
EBP,

PS............... but only for looks! Not a lot of difference........ but a difference. I guess a better way to put it would be............ If I were going to be detailing a black vehicle (or another dark color) that was going to be put in a big car show or concours event, the LSP I would be using would be Souveran. Is it worth the extra $$$......... depends on the one evaluating the surface, and the intent of the detail.

Having said that, I would recommend that everyone who is a detailing enthusiast should get one jar of PS, and try it for themselves.
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Understood, just wondered. I have nevered tried PS, but have heard that TS darkened paint a little more. Knowing that you have tried both, I thought I would get your opinion.

Maybe one day I will try the PS. Thanks!
 
It's a 2003 M3 - 60 bucks is not a lot when you put it in that perspective :)

Seriously though if you are just going the wash and wax route (only using a wax and not a system or several steps) then I would go with PS21/S100 -
 
Quick question guys...

Do you guys feel that a sealant (maybe EX w/C) mutes the shine of Pinnacle Souv? I just got a new Black M-Benz E55 and I want the most kick ass shine possible. I don't care about durability... I just want flat out looks. At least until I get a bottle of EX-P... :)

Thanks,
Chris
 
I stick by my original statement................. on a cleaned, polished (and glazed if possible) black vehicle, PS is my first choice................ only if price, and a bit of a lack of durability are not a problem. However, all the products mentioned in this thread would work great. A lot of people would have trouble telling the difference, and some people may "prefer" the sealant look better.

Again, keep in mind that this is only my opinion.
 
Boss_429 said:
I stick by my original statement................. on a cleaned, polished (and glazed if possible) black vehicle, PS is my first choice................ only if price, and a bit of a lack of durability are not a problem. However, all the products mentioned in this thread would work great. A lot of people would have trouble telling the difference, and some people may "prefer" the sealant look better.

Again, keep in mind that this is only my opinion.
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Boss...

Do you feel that the sealant between the glaze has any negative effect on Pinnacle Souveran? I just want to try and see how I can get the most out of PS.


Thanks again!
-Chris
 
Chris,

I'm not quite sure what your question is? I think you're looking for a plan on your vehicle............ here's what I would do (and has worked well for me in the past on some pretty nice vehicles). Especially if your paint is the special order Black "Opal"............. but even the standard black is nice paint!

Clean the paint with a good paint cleaner.

If there any swirls, get them out if at all possible (not hidden.........out). There are several good polishes/SMR's out there for that purpose.

Apply a fine glaze........... One Grand Omega Glaze, or Meguiar's Pro Hand Polish would be my choice. Keep in mind that I like these products for their "appearance", not because there are the easiest products to use................ because they are not........... but they are not difficult, if the directions are followed.

Next, apply and remove a light coat of Souveran, let it sit at least overnight, lightly QD, and apply and remove another light coat of Souveran.

Then, after every second wash, lightly QD, and apply another coat of Souveran. Keep in mind that the washes on your black "M" should be done with the finest products/tools, and with the utmost care to avoid swirls/spider webs................... if your not careful, all the other hard work and money is wasted in a hurry!

After doing this for a month or so, your "M" will look like a deep pool of glimmering water!

Of course, you could also go a completely different route! :D
 
Thanks again Boss!

I was just wondering if Souveran works better by itself, or with a sealant underneath. I don't mind waxing with PS every week if required since it's so easy to use. But yes...it's all in the prep. I've been working on the car for the last 5 hours. ;) SSR2, SSR1, PwC...

I've been meaning to try out some American Shine California Clear Coat I got as a present. I'll probably try that and top it with PS and see how it looks. :)

Thanks,
Chris
 
You're welcome Chris.

I think Souveran would work just fine with a Sealant underneath. However, sealants are normally clear, and reflective and have a touch of that "cold/dry/plastic" appearance............. and that's why I suggest a different combo. The Souveran is rich, warm, luxurious, and very glossy, which is a different overall appearance than a sealant. Therefore, the two kind of fight against each other........... if you know what I mean. On the other hand, a good glaze has more of a soft, glossy look that will work with the Souveran. Still, a few of coats of Souveran will eventually "overwhelm" the paint with the Souveran look........... so it's probably not a big deal.

I'm betting that the Souveran would look very nice over that PWC! :bigups

Have fun.

Chris Y. said:
Thanks again Boss!

I was just wondering if Souveran works better by itself, or with a sealant underneath. I don't mind waxing with PS every week if required since it's so easy to use. But yes...it's all in the prep. I've been working on the car for the last 5 hours. ;) SSR2, SSR1, PwC...

I've been meaning to try out some American Shine California Clear Coat I got as a present. I'll probably try that and top it with PS and see how it looks. :)

Thanks,
Chris
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TQB,

Souveran would NOT be my first choice on silver. On metallics.............. it would depend on the color?
 
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